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#1 User is offline   TheRobster 

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Posted 23 February 2011 - 08:20 PM

This isn’t really a thread for debating religion (although it can be if anyone wants to start a debate). I started the thread due to a semi-coherent PM from a certain ‘member’ of Babblers asking me questions regarding religion and science. I’m interested in both subjects to some extent (science because I’m a scientist…sort of, and religion just out of interest really). So I’ve read quite a lot over the years on both subjects. This thread therefore is just to list some of my favourite authors who cover these areas, links to good books and videos etc. Might be a useful reference list for anyone with an interest in the subject or some spare time or whatever.

So I’d say my three favourite authors as far as the science/religion debate are (in no particular order) Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens (Dawkins and Hitchens can be a bit polemic however, Sam Harris tends to be more thoughtful).

Richard Dawkins

Recommended books (all available on Amazon):

The God Delusion

The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution

Media on Google Videos (there are loads of these but these are some of my favourites):

Enemies of Reason

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=gt6W7eJ_E0A

Root of all Evil

http://video.google....84641446868316#

Sam Harris

Books:

Letter to a Christian Nation (good short book for those who don’t like to read long texts)

End of Faith

The Moral Landscape

Videos:

Dangers of Atheism

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=3KG5s_-Khvg

Christopher Hitchens

Books:

God is Not Great

Videos:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=sD0B-X9LJjs

(This one is good for debating where morals come from if there is no God).

Finally, just to show that I’m not just listening to one side of the argument I’ve also read plenty of books from the ‘other' (i.e. religious) side, for example “The Dawkins Delusion” by Alister McGrath and “There is a God” by Antony Flew. Invariably though these just rehash the same argument which is usually along the lines of “if there is no God then life is pointless and I don’t want to believe that so therefore I believe in God”. Or something along those lines (i.e. they don’t usually try and argue God’s existence from a scientific/evidenced based standpoint, or if they do they usually do it very poorly, basically ignoring any science (most of it really) that doesn’t agree with their viewpoint).

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 12:58 AM

Its more of like coming out of a coma, Robbie. I have view some of your videos.

My thoughts about the first video is that lady is a quack. As much as myself, don't like to quickly jump off to the doctors for some quick remedy as I hate sharing my illnesses with others and also not all of their medicines can totally cure someone yet. But as technology advances I am sure that those things will be figured out. I also don't do the flu shot even thou I am recommend to do so cause of my asthma but that is my choice to either accept the flu shot or to totally to say no. I have to say I haven't had the flu for a few years but friends whom do opt to take the flu shot, do in fact get sick within a few days to weeks and of course, the doctors say they must of been exposed to the flu before hand. Any person knows that the shot of any sort may give you that illness as that is the bodies natural response.
Just because I haven't had the flu I do get sick like any other person, I just seem to get a yearly bronchitis episode which isn't fun on my asthmatic lungs :( But one thing I have to say that as that lady was doing a visual without all that other nonsense crap. That the visual stuff she was doing has the benefit of making one feel better therefore healthy mentally but the chants was ridiculous. Now I do natural remedies such as red raspberry( for girly bits and besides its a lovely herbal tea to just drink), garlic and honey( for my allergies especially if the honey is RAW :P. Besides alot of today's medicines have come from natural things such as willow bark was the first aspirin :P as it help take care of fevers and such, just someone went and created a compound that simulated the willow bark and hence you have the modern day aspirin.

Video #2 Radicals give anyone, of any faith a bad name as they take their beliefs a bit far. If any of these supposedly people of faith look to the commandments they will know that being a suicide bomber isn't the norm for a person of faith or traveling far to worship an idol isn't either, just saying.:P I have to say I didn't watch this whole video, got to 6 mins and had enough LOL reminded me back when I was about 19ish, my dad who is catholic, had tickets to see some guy that is supposedly can heal people. I went along for the ride as I was bored to just sit home and read some books or study that day. I forget where we went downstate but I was surprise at the sheer number of people who believe this guy, I guess it had its entertaining value at that. But I doubt that any healing of any sort was happening as people were fainting, chanting and babbling like they were on some sort of drug and I wish I had stayed home :)

I am glad to hear that you have some sort of interested in both topics, Robbie as I was just curious about about where you stand cause your post just seem to be anti religion and I just had to know a bit more. ;) Thanks for being so cordial with me, its most appreciated.

Edit: space issue was affecting a smiley. :P

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 01:23 AM

I have no idea what most of that means but I assume you found the videos interesting (at least the ones you've watched so far) so that's good then I guess... (y)

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 01:47 AM

Yeah I guess in simplest terms for you...YES! they were interesting. :P Sorry I just like to talk and forget that you guys probably can't handle Americans who just yammer on like that.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 02:01 AM

Religion is rediculous. In pretty much every aspect. Discuss.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 02:08 AM

I don't think I know you ziox. Care to enlighten me on you real quick. ;) I know Robbie as we have some fond memories of cat and mouse. :)

Oh yeah here is a vid for you, Robbie compliments of my cousin :)I am sure it helps with the radicals of even people of a different time.

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

As we all know that those who came over to the states many moons ago, came to have religion freedom.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 02:28 AM

The destruction of Native Indian culture was inevitable. The strong subjugate the weak, it's always been so.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 02:45 AM

View PostTheRobster, on 24 February 2011 - 02:28 AM, said:

The destruction of Native Indian culture was inevitable. The strong subjugate the weak, it's always been so.

You think Indians were weak, they were more naive then anything. They have taught loads to those white settlers who came here. I can't be bias as I am half Indian and half European. :P I guess you can say it was the best of both worlds that made me.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 10:37 AM

Guns vs. bows. Guns win.

Where are the Indians now?

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 11:03 AM

Running Casinos.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 11:30 AM

LOL good one, Romerz

Robbie you know they also traded guns with the Indians :P So therefore some of them were armed themselves. :ohyeah: The french were smart back then to allied with the natives :P against you brits. I think that is why you brits don't like french very well unless you tell me otherwise. :)

Now back on topic. :)

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 12:04 PM

View PostDarkraven, on 24 February 2011 - 11:30 AM, said:

I think that is why you brits don't like french very well unless you tell me otherwise. :)

It goes a little further back than that http://forums.babblers.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 12:39 PM

Then please share with me why you guys don't fancy french peeps. :) I just know that some brit in uni Gemini says he drove particular fast thru France cause it smelled and to never go there. :lol: Amusing that was.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 12:44 PM

I have no issue with the French.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 01:46 PM

View PostDarkraven, on 24 February 2011 - 12:39 PM, said:

Then please share with me why you guys don't fancy french peeps. :) I just know that some brit in uni Gemini says he drove particular fast thru France cause it smelled and to never go there. :lol: Amusing that was.


Typically we don't, it's a/an (wth, which one?) historical situation hyped by the media or used in a jokey manner when required. Most people don't have any frame of reference with France or the French!

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 01:52 PM

I pour une bienvenue nos nouveaux suzerains franšais.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 02:05 PM

View PostTheRobster, on 24 February 2011 - 10:37 AM, said:

Guns vs. bows. Guns win.

Where are the Indians now?



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"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."
Han Solo Captain of the Mellenium Falcon.


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Posted 24 February 2011 - 02:38 PM

LOL

Video #3 OMGosh Can someone shut that lady up. Please she is far worst then me as I am not that bubbly. I scroll past her and I just can't get into that guy...atheist believes there is no god but I am pretty sure they believe there is a devil so how can that be??? I would rather you told me then making me view that video. Most of these people also will celebrated most of the religious holidays, if they didn't believe they should tell their boss that they will work thru good friday, Easter, Christmas and any other holiday as if there was such none. Just take holidays off for their own personal time.

Edit: wrong their :P

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 03:14 PM

View PostDarkraven, on 24 February 2011 - 11:30 AM, said:

The french were smart back then to allied with the natives :P against you brits. I think that is why you brits don't like french very well unless you tell me otherwise. :)

Now back on topic. :)


Seriously?

You want us to present 1500+ years of brutal history that makes cowboys and indians look like a kids game to you in a simple paragraph or 2?


Hell, I can't even punctuate the sentence above to make it clear...

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 03:17 PM

Question: Why did you pick tediously long vids?

Hmmm I thought that brit in the 4th vid would keep my attention. LOL but only made it to 8 or 9 mins. I have to say that guy is so way off :P Nature vs Nurture comes to mine on this topic.
As your parents have much to do with how mentally well you will do as an adult. Children who come from abusive homes will most likely do the same to their children a continuous vicious cycle. But there is a small number of children who find an adult that becomes like a surrogate parent who give them a different aspect of how adults should be and act towards children. Therefore, these children do well then of their peeps who don't have that luck to have someone guide them away from the madness of parents who abuse them, and this can have nothing to do with god. There is good in everyone except those who choose to do so :P As everyone has that choose to be bad or to be good and help others also. ^_^ Its not like I have this hat with the words good or bad on a bunch of pieces of paper. Then say hey, Robbie and any other babbler please put your hand in and pull out a piece of paper and do what is says to do. ;) As for us being related to animals, everyone is made of stars and the dirt of the earth that is why genetic material is closely to each other. Doesn't mean you go out and married an elephant, does it? Excuse me while I go do that lion over there. :lol:

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